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Spurs' Cup Record v Nottingham Forest
FA CUP
Season Rd H/A Result
66-67 S-F N W 2-1
70-71 5 H W 2-1
74-74 3 A D 1-1
74-75 3R H L 0-1
90-91 F W W 2-1
95-96 5 A D 2-2
95-96 5R H D 1-1
Forest won 3-1 pens
04-05 5 H D 1-1
(updated 01.03.05)
LEAGUE CUP
81-81 Q-F H W 1-0
89-90 Q-F A D 2-2
89-90 Q-FR H L 2-3
91-92 S-F1 A D 1-1
91-92 S-F2 H L 1-2 (a.e.t)
92-93 4 A L 0-2
When FA Cup ties come around, it is always interesting to look for omens and "romance of the Cup" stories. Jim Duggan's excellent Topsurs site has listed many "co-incidences" and "omens" regarding this season's potential FA Cup run for Spurs, including the fact that in 1981, it was the Year of the Cockerel and Prince Charles got married. Both are happening again this year. I shall not go through the whole list that Jim made, and you can follow the link for yourselves.
As Declan Mulcahy writes below, there are other good omens for Spurs in relation to this particular tie, such as the fact we beat them in 1967, going on to win the Cup, and of course we beat them in 1991 (look out for chances to win the DVDs of both the 67 and 91 Cup Finals at Spurs Odyssey). Firstly, here are a couple of other snippets of trivia:-
· From 1990 to 1993, the sides met in cup competition for four years in
succession, with Spurs triumphant only once; their FA Cup final victory
in 1991, secured by Des Walker’s own goal in extra-time.
· Forest were the opponents the last time a Spurs match was
abandoned; this was the first attempt to play the 1996 FA Cup tie,
which was abandoned at 0-0 after 15 minutes due to heavy snow. Ultimately this match was settled on penalties on Saturday 9th March, 1996, with Forest going through. This was also the last time (before last Saturday's replay against West Brom) that Spurs played an FA Cup replay on a Saturday.
I am very grateful to Spurs Odyssey correspondent, Declan Mulcahy for most of the following archive material:-
Spurs have met Forest five times previously in the FA Cup all of which have been in recent times. The first occasion was in 1967 at Hillsborough in the semi final. This was a game between two in form teams. Forest and Spurs finished second and third respectively in the league that season behind Manchester United, level on points but Forest ahead on goal average. Going into the game Spurs were unbeaten in eighteen league and cup games and would not lose again that season.
The Spurs team, was the same team that would play in the final: Pat Jennings, Joe Kinnear, Cyril Knowles, Alan Mullery, Mike England, Dave Mackay (capt), Jimmy Robertson, Jimmy Greaves, Alan Gilzean, Terry Venables, Frank Saul, Sub: Cliff Jones. Forest had the better of the first 30 minutes. Knowles cleared off the goal line with his knees from a shot by Frank Wignall. Spurs went ahead against the run of play. Gilzean headed the ball down to Jimmy Greaves. He pivoted and hit a shot from 30 yards which went in against the post.
Spurs played much better after the goal. Frank Saul scored with a 25 yard shot after 67 minutes to put Spurs 2-0 ahead. Dave Mackay went off in the second half to be replaced by Cliff Jones. Forest reduced the deficit when Terry Hennessey scored from a corner. Forest threw everything into seeking the equaliser. Mike England cleared off the line from Barry Lyons’ shot and Spurs went through 2-1. They would beat Chelsea 2-1 also, in the Final.
In 1970-71 Spurs beat Forest 2-1 at White Hart Lane in the fifth round, the goals coming from Gilzean and Chivers. Spurs lost to Liverpool in the next round.
In 1974-75 Spurs drew 1-1 against then Second Division Forest at the City Ground in the third round, Chivers scoring the goal. Surprisingly Spurs then lost the home game 0-1. It was not a good season for Spurs who narrowing avoided relegation.
The fourth meeting between the teams was in the 1990-91 FA Cup Final. Forest were managed by Brian Clough who had never won the FA Cup as a manager (Ed:- and never did). For Spurs Gascoigne had scored a memorable goal in the semi final at Wembley beating rivals Arsenal 3-1.
The Spurs team was Erik Thorsvedt, Justin Edinburgh, Pat van den Hauwe, Steve Sedgeley, David Howells, Gary Mabbutt, Paul Stewart, Paul Gascoigne (Nayim), Vinny Samways (Paul Walsh), Gary Lineker, Paul Allen.
After 20 minutes Gascoigne conceded a free kick from a dangerous tackle. He was stretchered off never to play for Spurs again. If he had not been seriously injured he could well have been sent off for the tackle. Stuart Pearce scored from the ensuing free kick and Spurs went in at the interval 1-0 down. Gary Lineker had missed a penalty in the first half and it looked as though the fates were against Spurs. However Paul Stewart, who had an outstanding game equalised in the second half taking the game to extra time.
Spurs prevailed in extra time thanks to a headed own goal by Des Walker. Gary Mabbutt who captained Spurs must have known how Walker felt since he too had conceded the winning goal as an own goal against Coventry in the final four years previously. Walker would concede another own goal to Spurs in a league game for Sheffield Wednesday in the 1995-96 season, the fifth and final occasion when Spurs met Forest in the FA Cup.
It's hard to think of Forest languishing near the bottom of the Coca-Cola Championship, in fear of another relegation, when you consider that when we played in March 1996, both teams were locked next to each other in the Premiership, and indeed finished 8th and 9th respectively (Spurs 8th). When the first match was eventually played, Ian Woan had hit a fourth minute free kick for the lead, and eventually made it 2-2 for Forest, after Chris Armstrong had scored two for Spurs.
The replay at White Hart Lane was not a happy affair then, as Mark Crossley was to prove the bane of our lives, not for the first time. Remember the penalty save he made from Gary Lineker in 1991? Well, he not only made a number of telling saves in the match proper, but also saved three of Spurs efforts in the penalty shoot-out. Teddy Sheringham had equalised Brian Roy's 8th minute goal from a 32nd minute free kick, but despite a number of excellent chances, it went to penalties, with Crossley making those saves from Clive Wilson, Ronnie Rosenthal, and Teddy Sheringham. (It's a bit sad to think that Teddy's last FA Cup action in his career is likely to have been another penalty shoot-out miss for West Ham last week).
The teams for that last meeting were - Spurs:- Walker; Edinburgh (sub Nethercott), Calderwood, Mabbutt (Capt.), Wilson; Fox, Howells, Campbell, Rosenthal; Armstrong (sub Slade), Sheringham. Forest:- Crossley; Lyttle, Haaland (sub Phillips), Chettle, Pearce (Capt.); Stone, Bart-Williams, Gemmill, Woan; Campbell (sub Lee), Roy.
The Spurs substitute, Steve Slade made just a handful of first team appearances, never scoring for Spurs at that level. He has sinced been at QPR, Brentford, and Cambridge United amongst other clubs, and was last heard of playing for St. Albans in 2002.
Team News? Andy Reid and Michael Dawson are cup-tied; Forest's first choice keeper, Paul Gerrard is suspended; and Spurs have a wealth of talent to choose from. New manager Gary Megson has led Forest to three successive clean sheets, and despite their lowly position, they do have one or two potential danger-men, and Spurs must not take the opposition lightly. I take them to win 3-1 for the third game running, and expect Defoe and Mido to get on the scoresheet.
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